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orangehrzn
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 Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 8:08 pm Post subject: mattifying sunscreens ? |
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In general for a product to mattify the skin surface it must contain a silicone base or light diffusing powders.
I bumped on 'Vanicream sunscreens' SPF 15 and SPF 35: http://www.psico.com/products/screens.html
Vanicream® Sunscreen
Active ingredients: zinc oxide (Z-Cote® HP1), titanium dioxide (T-Cote 031®)
Other ingredients: cetyl dimethicone copolyol, cyclomethicone, dimethiconal, dimethicone, dl-alpha tocopherol (vitamin E), glycerin, hydrogenated castor oil, magnesium chloride, PEG-30 dipolyhydroxystearate, polyethylene, purified water, tridecyl neopentanoate
From the above these are ZnO+TiO sunscreens with a SILICONE BASE. They must self-mattify pretty good! Someone tried them? |
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orangehrzn
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| Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 9:00 pm Post subject: |
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Another sunscreen with a silicone base I know (but haven't tried) is Paula Begoun's mineral sunscreen SPF 15: http://www.cosmeticscop.com/shop/product.asp?CODE=PC145&PAGETYPE=S It has physical sunblocks ZnO and TiO and a silicone base which means it will mattify nicely. For some reason she doesn't recommend it for oily skins, not clear to me why ... The only thing I don't like in it is the glycerin but the only way to see if that will clog pores is to test it.
Someone tried this one? |
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maxxilla
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| Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 5:49 pm Post subject: |
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I haven't tried the ones you listed, but I've found good results with most of the Asian sunscreens (Kanebo, Anessa, Shiseido, L'Oreal UV Perfect (European/Asian L'Oreal)). They generally have a lighter texture than US sunscreens, and they are photostable (a rare trait in US sunscreens). They can be hard to find, but they're worth the trouble. I usually get mine on ebay or strawberrynet.com.
FWIW, I don't think Paula's sunscreen is photostable. I'm not sure about the other brand.
For more info on photostability, there are some great resources on makeupalley; just ask anyone on the skincare board and they can direct you to the right notepads (which have references for peer-reviewed articles, product suggestions, etc.). Sorry, I can't remember the exact location.
As to why Paula doesn't recommend it for oilier skins -- maybe it's the presence of 'cones; many oily-skinned people can't tolerate 'cones (I'm one). |
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orangehrzn
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| Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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I have an oily skin and I never got a pimple from silicone bases. Many products for oily or acne-prone skin like 'oil - free' 'pore minimizers' and 'oil controls' out there have silicone bases. Even the anti-acne drug Retin-A Micro has a silicone+polymer base.
What do you mean by Paula's sunscreen is not stable? It has physical sunblocks ZnO, TiO - I don't think these can 'degrade'. As far as I understand, the chemical sunscreens could be unstable, not the physical ones. |
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maxxilla
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| Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 2:07 pm Post subject: |
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I must be mistaken about Paula's sunscreen; I was thinking it was a chemical sunscreen, and someone on Makeup alley said it wasn't stable. I didn't bother to check on the ingredients myself.
Re: 'cones: the fact that 'cones are in many products isn't the point. They break a lot of people out. (Aloe is frequently used in skincare products as well, despite the fact that many people are allergic to aloe.) It is unfortunate that so many products contain them, because that just makes it harder for people like me to find stuff that works. It's great that you don't have adverse reactions from them -- the (skincare) world is your oyster...lucky you! I am stuck relying upon blotting papers and powder to rid myself of the oilies -- a temporary fix --at best. |
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orangehrzn
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| Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Which product with silicones base broke you out? |
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maxxilla
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| A variety of products have broken me out -- mattifiers, sunscreens, long-wearing makeup, moisturizers, most drugstore foundations, foundation primers...you name it, and if it has 'cones then my skin won't like it. It's a major hassle because just about everyone uses dimethicone, etc. in their product lines. |
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orangehrzn
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| Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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| An update: I got Vanicream SPF 35 - it doesnt mattify at all! |
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akelly
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| salinaxina wrote: | | Does anyone have a suggestion for an oil free foundation that actually gives you good coverage. |
I use Bare Mineral from Bare Escentuals foundation. I love it! I have used it for about 4 years now. The foundations is basically loose minerals (so it is in a powder form) and covers well but is light and not heavy feeling at all!! |
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akelly
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| Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 1:47 pm Post subject: |
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| orangehrzn wrote: | | An update: I got Vanicream SPF 35 - it doesnt mattify at all! |
That is so annoying that it does not mattify! What I have been doing lately is after I put on my sunscrean (which is annoyingly greasy) I wait a few minutes and then I lighty dust my face with corn starch. It takes the grease away and makes my face look smooth. I then wait a few more minutes and put my foundation on...which is a loose powder foundation. It works well for me and I know longer have a greasy foundation brush.
Also I found this Sunscreen on the internet
DDF MATTE FINISH PHOTO-AGE PROTECTION SPF 30....I have not used it. It is around $24 ...I think that is too much for sunscreen.....everything these days is way over priced....and until I run out of my greasy sunscreen I will continue using the cornstarch on my face to get that matte finish look! |
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orangehrzn
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orangehrzn
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| Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 9:21 pm Post subject: |
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There are many mattifying silicone gels but for some reason there aren't many cosmetics companies that combine that with a sunscreen. Instead of that there are mattifying foundations with sun screens in them - you may wanna try these.
If you decide on applying sunscreen and then putting a mattifying gel on top here is what I know about such gels:
| Quote: | The Instant Perfector is terribly overpriced $18 / 0.5 oz = $36 / oz. Clinique also sells a similar product: Pore Minimizer T-Zone Shine Control $ 14 / 0.5 oz = $ 28 / oz. These prices are too much for a simple silicone makeup! In the same price range is the Peter Thomas Roth Max Anti-Shine Mattifying Gel $35 / oz.
The Monistat gel still remains the cheapest mattifier $7 / 1.5 oz = $5/oz. The second cheapest I've found is an Oil Absorbing Gel (all silicones) sold by www.Skintactix.com , www.bion-research.com and some other sites. It is $ 16 / oz :
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Oil Absorbing Gel: For Excessively Oily, Shiny Skin
Absorbs oil and sebum on the surface of the skin. Gives skin a natural matte look for 6 to 8 hours. Does not clog follicles or promote acne. Contains green tea. (Note: Treat acne first, before considering this product. Other products will reduce excessive oiliness and may make this product unnecessary.) pH 4.2
Ingredients: Deionized Water (Aqua), Cyclomethicone, Vinyldimethicone, Dimethicone, Camellia Oleifera Extract (Green Tea).
In the same price range $16 / oz is CITY Cosmetics Skin Refinisher:
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Ingredients:
Calcium Chloride, Silica, Dimethicone, Cyclopentasiloxane, Dimethicone Crosspolymer, Dimethicone/Vinyl Dimethicone Crosspolymer, Dimethiconol, Tridecyl Stearate, Neopentylglycol Dicaprylate, Tridecyl Trimellitate, Polyethylene Isononyl Isononanoate, Hydrogenated Lecithin Polysorbate 20, Polysorbate 80, Water, Fragrance, Isopropylparaben, Butylparaben, Titanium Dioxide
In the same price range $20/oz is the English Ideas Foundation Primer:
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Ingredients: Cyclopentasiloxane, Dimethicone/Vinyldimethicone Crosspolymer, Cyclomethicone, Tocopheryl Acetate, Retinyl Palmitate, Tetrahexyldecyl Ascorbate, Stearyl Glycyrrhetinate.
From the ingredient list, the Foundation Primer has the added benefit of oil soluble vitamin E, A, C and anti-irritant licorice root (Stearyl Glycyrrhetinate).
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bevinc81
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| Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 7:16 pm Post subject: |
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| i found the olay sp 15 for oily combination worked well for me. I have combo/ oily skin but after aha, I stopped because it became to drying. I dont have the ingredients right now but if your intrested I can post them, never found anything that works 100% and still have to blot during the day so I dont get to shiny. |
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orangehrzn
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| Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 11:34 pm Post subject: |
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I use the same thing - Olay Complete all day moisture lotion SPF 15 for combination/oily skin. It's the closest to 'not shiny sunscreen' I've found so far. Neutrogena sells 'sheer matte' sunblock or something but I returned it cause it was breaking me out.
I hope the Paula's choice sunscreen will outperform these. |
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bevinc81
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| Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2005 5:08 pm Post subject: |
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| i don't know about paula's choice, or anyone who has tried it, keep us posted. I have started using the aveeno. my skin has really dried out from aha and I love the beach... :? so the sun and salt water dry my skin out as well. I like the texture of aveeno, and so far no trouble with extra oil but i also dont were any makeup over it wich makes a huge diffrence. some tips for the girl concerned about her foundation, maybe try leaving the foundation off and just putting concieler sp? on your trouble spots. I use the netrogena on the spot stick with sylic acid in the cover up, so its helping get rid of the blemish and covering it up. the great thing is how well it covers, I have used every thing from chanel to maybeline and this is the best I have found. I still use powder and foundation but only on special days. not wearing foundation every day also helps my skin stay clear. :D |
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