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TwBebe
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 Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 3:46 pm Post subject: I need a good Moisturizer |
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Hi Guys,
I need a good moisturizer and I was hoping you guys would have suggestions.
I used to have really oily skin which would be shiny by before noon and by the end of the day looks like grease was slabbed on my face. I say used to because since i started using Proactiv it stopped producing so much oil. It became a little drying at first and now normalized after a while. So i don't know what kind of moisturizer to get, one for oily skin? or one for normal skin. I am almost 23 and have been looking around and a lot of ppl had good reviews on Olay's Deep Hydration Cream (or perfecting cream). I am not showing signs of aging, however, people say this really moisturizes well and is non-greasy. Is it too early for me to use this? Will it have adverse effects later on? Or is there something else you would suggest?? Thanks!! |
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Zacman
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| Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 4:43 pm Post subject: Moisturizing Skin |
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I would reccommend using a quality moisturizer formulated with essential oils like tea tree or peppermint. Also a few other tips to maximize your efforts might include:
Use moisturizer immediately after bathing when skin is hydrated well.
If your diet isn't the best take a quality multi-vitamin.
Get a normal amount of exercise for optimal body function.
Sometimes we forget our skin is the largest organ of the body, and if our body in general is not healthy, our skin will reflect it.
Hope that helps,
Zac
skin-and-scalp-treatment.com |
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TwBebe
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| Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 7:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Hi there~~thx for your reply...like i mentioned, my skin is generally oily, so wouldn't moisturizers with oils make it worse? and my diet is fairly good~lots of veggies. i just needed a suggestion for a brand of moisturizer to use....thx =) |
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nyonyakay
Joined: 06 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 9:26 pm Post subject: |
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| TwBebe wrote: | | Hi there~~thx for your reply...like i mentioned, my skin is generally oily, so wouldn't moisturizers with oils make it worse? and my diet is fairly good~lots of veggies. i just needed a suggestion for a brand of moisturizer to use....thx =) |
.... because "oils ain't oils". An analysis of the skin's natural lipid barrier indicates that the components include:
Polar Lipids
Cholesteryl Sulfate (like cholesterol esters sometimes used in skincare)
Neutral Lipids
Free Sterols (like plant phytosterols sometimes used in skincare)
Free Fatty Acids (lots of the natural carrier oils we use contain fatty acids)
Triglycerides (like Caprylic/ Capric Triglyceride sometimes used in skincare)
Sterol/wax esters (like jojoba oil)
Squalane (like olive squalane)
n-Alkanes
Sphingolipids (like lecithin)
Glucosylceramides
Ceramides (I think everyone has heard of this)
I have normal-oily skin, and have personally found that applying "oils" or rather, emollients, such as jojoba oil, olive squalane, cholesterol esters, or triglycerides directly to my face, does not create further oiliness. These emollients absorb very quickly. Naturally, you would not use more than a few drops in your palm, and press this into your face after cleansing.
A cosmetic chemist once advised me that unrefined macadamia oil has a profile which is very similar to human sebum, absorbs neatly and does a great job of cleansing AND moisturising.
In short, the skincare industry appears to take delight and make nice fat profits from bamboozling customers into believing that they need $'00 moisturing creams. |
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milifestyle
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| Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 5:47 am Post subject: |
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I read an article somewhere recently that stated Tea Tree Oil and Lavender may cause Premature Menopause symptoms.
I am not sure if there is any further research done on this. |
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nyonyakay
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| Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 7:19 am Post subject: |
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| milifestyle wrote: | I read an article somewhere recently that stated Tea Tree Oil and Lavender may cause Premature Menopause symptoms.
I am not sure if there is any further research done on this. |
I am very confused about this - were these statements made for entertainment value, scare value, knowledge demonstration value, or are you seeking confirmation of something you've read somewhere from possibly Hello Magazine, New Idea or Woman's Day?
Are you advocating that all pre-menopausal women (presumably?) avoid any contact with those identified essential oils on the basis of your statements?
Do you yourself avoid contact with those essential oils? |
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milifestyle
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| Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 3:56 pm Post subject: |
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I was simply saying that "Zacman" said to use a product formulated with tea tree oil, and to research its use first.
I use Organic essential oils all the time. Tea Tree is one of them. So is lavender.
I just spent 2 hours finding the article. I correct myself on the symptoms, it may actually cause breast tissue to form in boys (Gynaecomastia), not pre-menapausal symptoms. But it is still a hormonal change. I hadn't read the article for a couple of weeks, so i apologise.
| Quote: | Using lavender and tea tree oil products can cause young boys to develop breast tissue, a study finds.
Gynaecomastia is rare, and there is often no obvious cause.
But US specialists report in the New England Journal of Medicine that three boys developed the condition after using the oils.
The National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences (NIEHS) team say doctors who see boys should ask about their use of such products.
Oils 'mimicked hormones'
Clifford Bloch, a child hormone specialist at the University of Colorado at Denver and Health Science Center's School of Medicine started to suspect the link after seeing the three boys.
The first, aged four, had been experiencing symptoms for two to three weeks.
His mother said she had recently begun applying a "healing balm" containing lavender oil to his skin.
The second boy, who was 10, had been developing enlarged breast tissue over the previous five months.
When questioned, it emerged that he was using a shampoo and hair gel containing lavender oil and tea tree oil every morning.
The third boy, aged seven, had a one-month history of gynaecomastia.
He had been using lavender-scented soaps and skin lotions. His twin used the soap, but not the lotions, and had not developed the condition.
Each of the boys stopped using the relevant products, and several months later the tissue growth was found to have subsided.
The team at the NIEHS carried out tests on human cells and found pure lavender and tea tree oils could mimic the actions of female hormones and inhibit the effects of male hormones, and therefore disrupt the endocrine system in the body.
'Reconsider' product use
Dr Bloch said: "Since there was no identifiable cause for prepubertal gynaecomastia in the three patients we reported, we speculated that environmental factors might be contributing to their condition.
"Together, the case histories and NIEHS studies provide support for our hypothesis that topical exposure to lavender and tea tree oils likely caused gynaecomastia in the three patients."
It is not known whether the oils could have similar effects on the endocrine systems of young girls, teenagers or adults.
But Dr Derek Hanley, who led the NIEHS research said the oils did not appear to alter the levels of the usual forms of hormones circulating in the boys' bodies.
And he said: "We do not anticipate any long term effects on hormonal levels."
Dr Ken Korach, who also worked on the study, said: "We want to encourage doctors who may be seeing patients with gynaecomastia to ask their patients about the products they are using.
"Patients with prepubertal gynaecomastia may want to consider reducing the use of products that contain these oils."
Professor Ieuan Hughes, a child hormone specialist at the University of Cambridge, said: "The scientists have shown a convincing effect, albeit on cell lines; that these oils can mimic oestrogens and act as anti-androgens [male hormones]."
He said: "We don't really understand gynaecomastia, but the consensus is that it's related to a hormone imbalance."
Professor Hughes said hormone levels in prepubescent boys were particularly sensitive to changes.
He added: "The next step is to see how widespread this problem is.
"As the researchers say, it is important to say people should be a little bit careful about using these products until we know more." |
Source - newsvote.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/6318043.stm |
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TwBebe
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| Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 4:33 pm Post subject: |
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hmmm~~oils ain't oils...Thanks for the lesson =) i was always told to stay away from it. do you have a recommended line from any brand?? I was looking at Olay's products however it all says it's age defying and being 22 i dont think i need it. However, is there a downside to using age defying products early??
And i should also get my brother to stop using his tea tree oil face wash.... |
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nyonyakay
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| Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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Olay is cheap and good enough. It is certainly not on my list of rip-off snake oil merchants (La Prairie, Creme de la Mer, Surf Evolution, Jan Marini, etc. are on that awful big black list).
You sound like you are already sold on Olay so why don't you try it? No harm in "age defying" - more than likely they just made up the label so they could pitch it at desperate women in a certain demographic. But this is not objectionable if they sell at a reasonable price , the cream does no harm and at a bare minimum the women who use it get emotional comfort (not necessarily grounded in fact) from believing they are doing something good for their skins. So even if the cream actually does nothing for them topically, they still get some value for the $$s they've shelled out from a sense of security and emotional wellbeing.
I only moisturise with serums or emollients I mix together myself with active ingredients. If you decide to try the oil route, look for COLD PRESSED UNREFINED oils, doesn't have to be organic - there is absolutely no evidence of sufficient incremental value from topical organics to justify the prices associated with that label. It just gives merchants another excuse to price-gouge.
Jojoba oil, macadama nut oil, olive squalane are my favourite non-comedogenic oils. Use drops at a time, certainly not squirts. Depending on what country you live in, you can get these from newdirections dot com dot au, or newdirectionsaromatics dot com. |
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TwBebe
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I don't know anything else to try~~Since i'm at work ebay and internet is my best friend. I saw olay for sale for cheap and i've read good reviews just didn't know if those ingredients in there is good for my skin. and comparing to all the other brands i saw eg. clinique, lancome, estee lauder, SKII, shiseido etc) they all seem outrageously priced...
I have heard about the jojoba oil and was looking into it. I read it's not really an oil but more of a liquid wax. What would i do with that??use it alone??or mix it with a moisturizer?? Thanks for your insights ^.^
EDIT: I was looking on ebay and found Jojoba oil Expeller Pressed...is that different from cold pressed?? is that ok to use?? Thanks again! |
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nyonyakay
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| Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 7:23 pm Post subject: |
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1) Contact the ebay seller and ask them what "expeller pressed" means and whether any solvents were used in the extraction. Tell them you are specifically looking for "cold pressed unrefined" and ask them whether it is one and the same.
2) You can also check on the integrity of the Ebay seller by Googling "expeller pressed" and "definition" and see what that pulls up.
3) Everyone's skin is different, so maybe you could try a drop or two of straight jojoba oil on one side of the face, and on the other side apply a mix of jojoba and whatever lotion you have. See which side makes you happier! My own skin changes subtly from time to time so I cycle through different variations of oil mixes and serums.
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milifestyle
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| Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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| nyonyakay wrote: |
I only moisturise with serums or emollients I mix together myself with active ingredients. If you decide to try the oil route, look for COLD PRESSED UNREFINED oils, doesn't have to be organic - there is absolutely no evidence of sufficient incremental value from topical organics to justify the prices associated with that label. It just gives merchants another excuse to price-gouge. |
I hear a lot about the price difference with Organic products. I don't notice a huge difference in price. I use Organic Fruit & Vegetables & Skin care whenever possible. |
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nyonyakay
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| Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 8:23 pm Post subject: |
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Price difference?
Jurlique, Dr Hauschka and Stella McCartney's "Care" are shall we say, fulsomely priced labels which tout organic ingredients as their virtue.
Jurlique stands out for being successfully prosecuted by the Australian Consumer & Competition Commission last year for Resale Price Maintenance. These unethical corporate thugs were trying to force their distributors to toe their line so prices could be kept high.
There are probably many more in the market if you care to look. |
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Zacman
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| Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 3:31 pm Post subject: Tea Tree Oil |
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Hey all,
| Quote: | | ...people should be a little bit careful about using these products until we know more." |
What's this :-), a little bit careful?
Sounds like intellectual gooble dee gook to me.
I'll stay with natural products any day.
With all of the artificial products we are subject to without even knowing it, using a natural essential oil is your safest bet, IMO.
Tea Tree along with it's punitive penetrating properties is also a fungacide, anti bacterial, antiseptic, and anti inflammatory.
I formulate it into most skin care products I develop.
Best regards,
Zac
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nyonyakay
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| Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 4:04 pm Post subject: |
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| All well and good, but would you recommend its use on young children, Zacman? |
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