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jands
Joined: 21 Nov 2005 Posts: 105 Location: Taiwan
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Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 11:34 pm Post subject: Perricone on QuackWatch |
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Interesting article about Dr. Perricone on Quackwatch:
http://www.quackwatch.org/11Ind/perricone.html
The problem with Quakwatch is that the owner (Stephen Barrett, M.D.) is a retired psychiatrist, not a scientist.
However, a lot of what he writes makes sense to me, probably because I'm a cynic who has little faith in the biased opinions and integrity of most retailers.
I am always looking for hard facts or subtantiated proof for any claims (ie. we only sell the best), something some businesses do not seem to want to supply!
So much info, so many different opinions, so many sources of ingredients claiming to only offer 'the best'!
It is really hard for the average consumer to get the right answers and not get scammed in one way or another.
That is why I appreciate smartskincare as yet another source of unbiased inormation. |
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drtodorov Site Admin
Joined: 10 Dec 2004 Posts: 3177
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Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 2:55 am Post subject: |
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Perricone's approach seems to be a balancing act between wishful thinking and scientific evidence, where a modest amount of interesting and/or promising research is eggagerated to appear as a fully substantiated clinical modality. It makes for a good sales pitch and poor science, which is an all too common combination.
This is not to say that all of the ingredients he promotes, such as lipoic acid or DMAE are entirely without merit. They have some supporting research (although not that much) and seem to be modestly useful in skin care based on the limited data available. But they are not any better (and perhaps even less effecive) than better researched agents, such as retinoids or even vitamin C.
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Melissa
Joined: 05 Jan 2006 Posts: 4
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Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 1:55 pm Post subject: quackery |
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jands,
I agree with you . It is very hard to get the right answers especially with vitamins. After several attempts to find out if one company Vitamin C was the L-ascorbic acid form I was giving an answer " probably we only use the best. "
I was not satisfy with this answer & search for another company, but it takes a lot of time & I wasted a lot of money with the wrong vitamins to mix in my base creams. too much fillers.... |
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drtodorov Site Admin
Joined: 10 Dec 2004 Posts: 3177
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Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 7:10 pm Post subject: |
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Generally, if something is called pure Vitamin C powder it is supposed to be L-ascorbic acid because D-ascorbic acid is NOT vitamin C. But it is prudent to double-check with manufacturer. |
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cjdavis
Joined: 24 Jan 2005 Posts: 191 Location: Atlanta
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Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 10:18 pm Post subject: |
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drtodorov wrote: | Perricone's approach seems to be a balancing act between wishful thinking and scientific evidence, where a modest amount of interesting and/or promising research is eggagerated to appear as a fully sustantiated clinical modality. It makes for a good sales pitch and poor science, which is an all too common combination.
This is not to say that all of the ingredients he promotes, such as lipoic acid or DMAE are entirely without merit. They have some supporting research (although not that much) and seem to be modestly useful in skin care based on the limited data available. But they are not any better (and perhaps even less effecive) than better researched agents, such as retinoids or even vitamin C. |
I totally agree Dr. T. Dr. Perricone does deserve some credit however for his insights into using some natural ingredients, and for sponsoring his own clinical trial of a unpatentable ala cream. But it has become evident that he uses a lot of hyperbole in his marketing and, as you said, is guilty of over hyping limited data and portrays it as substantiated skin care treatment. I just finished his latest book and i do disagree with his supplement recommendations. For instance I think supplementing with DMAE is a big mistake as it displaces acetylcholine molecules from the receptors and may interferer with memory and numerous other functions. He also acts like he discovered this big secret that systemic inflammation may precipitate the formation of chronic diseases as well as serve as a source of aging. while I think this probably will turn out to be true it certainly wasn't his brilliant insight into the physiological process of inflammation that discovered this probable connection. |
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thegoodwitch
Joined: 23 Dec 2005 Posts: 11
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Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 1:21 am Post subject: Perricone - More Buck Than Bang!! |
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I too think that Perricone's schtick is mainly hype. Also, after reading Dr. Barry Sear's "Zone Diet" books, it is obvious that Perricone has done more than a little borrowing from Sears. Perricone's diet recommendations are basically Sear's + salmon and supplements ad nauseum.
To Dr. Sear's credit, the Zone Diet actually did change my life in terms of energy level and overall health (can't say exactly what it's done for my skin, but I'm sure it hasn't been bad!). There is definitely something to the idea of keeping one's blood sugar as stable as possible for the promotion of "good" eicosanoids.
My main complaint against Perricone, however, is the ridiculous pricetag on his skincare line. It really does make him look like the proverbial "snake oil salesman." |
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marta
Joined: 03 Feb 2006 Posts: 10
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Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 1:06 am Post subject: |
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I wonder why it is that no one has independently tested Perricone products?
How is it that he is exempt from listing any of his ingredients in his products?
Otherwise, I actually found the information in Perricone books to be helpful. In the wrinkle cure, he talked the least about topicals but instead offered nutrition approach and vitamin and mineral approach. And teaching folks to guard against overindulgence in sugar and what it alone does to your body chemistry is not a bad thing. Teaching me to take anti-oxidants is a good thing as well. Between his numerous appearances on NPR I don't feel like I need to read any other books. I have sampled a number of his products (Sephora is generous in this department) and they seemed pretty remarkable to me. |
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Lucy
Joined: 22 Apr 2006 Posts: 25
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Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 1:29 am Post subject: |
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I've tried Dr.Perricone's diet and I loved it : eating salmon, blueberries,
broccolini and drinking green tea for 7 weeks. My body, facial features and skin have shaped up beautifully. |
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cjdavis
Joined: 24 Jan 2005 Posts: 191 Location: Atlanta
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Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 7:35 am Post subject: |
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Lucy wrote: | I've tried Dr.Perricone's diet and I loved it : eating salmon, blueberries,
broccolini and drinking green tea for 7 weeks. My body, facial features and skin have shaped up beautifully. |
His diet isn't really wasn't a novel conception, but is a good way to eat. However, I vehemently disagree with some of his "anti aging" nutrients that he recommends in his book, such as dmae. Just my opinion though. |
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jamesherried
Joined: 07 May 2005 Posts: 784
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Posted: Tue May 02, 2006 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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I read the article about Dr. Perricone on quackwatch.com, and the authors(who themselves are attacking Dr. Perricones's beliefs) of the article make some false statements themselves. Here are two obviouos ones. The first statement is one made by Dr. Perricone in his book, the one in brackets is the refutation made by the authors of this article:
1)Vitamin C deficiency causes wrinkles. [Sun exposure and tobacco use are the only recognized factors known to cause wrinkles.]
2)Growth hormone is the true "youth hormone." [Only in the sense that it helps youths grow into adults!]
The authors say that "sun exposure and tobacco use are the only recognized factors known to cause wrinkles". Well, we know that isn't true, because we know that you can also get wrinkles from repeated facial movements, such as squinting.
They also refute the idea that "growth hormone is the true youth hormone", and the authors seem to think that the only value growth hormone has is in helping young people grow into adults. I think it's pretty well established now that growth hormone(if injected) does work to restore "youthfulness" . Dr. Denese says that in her clinical experience, nothing even comes close to HGH injections in terms of restoring youth to an aging body, and she attributes the youthfulness of her celebrity clients to that. And I don't think those people would continue to pay those high prices if HGH didn't work. But Dr. Denese isn't the only doctor who makes that claim. What we're not sure about is what the long term effects of HGH injections are in terms of safety.
Anyway, I think quackwatch.com is run by a lot of conventional, main-stream-medicine-oriented people who haven't seemed to learn yet that although blind acceptance isn't a good thing, being overlyskeptical is just as bad, just as biased, and just as "unscientific". |
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cjdavis
Joined: 24 Jan 2005 Posts: 191 Location: Atlanta
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Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 10:30 am Post subject: |
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jamesherried wrote: |
Anyway, I think quackwatch.com is run by a lot of conventional, main-stream-medicine-oriented people who haven't seemed to learn yet that although blind acceptance isn't a good thing, being overlyskeptical is just as bad, just as biased, and just as "unscientific". |
That's an excellent point. I couldn't agree more. However, I'm not completely sold on HGH replacement therapy just yet. We need to know what the long term implications of increased IGF-1 is and come to a better understanding of how long term HGH use affects insulin sensitivity, among other things. I really think that the benefits of HGH are more marketing hype than scientifically validated fact, however it is very intriguing... I can see how some consumers and even experts may want to "roll the dice" and go ahead and use HGH based upon the purported and theoretical health and anti aging benefits. I’d be curious to see what Dr. Todorov thinks… |
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jamesherried
Joined: 07 May 2005 Posts: 784
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Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 1:30 pm Post subject: |
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cjdavis wrote: | jamesherried wrote: |
Anyway, I think quackwatch.com is run by a lot of conventional, main-stream-medicine-oriented people who haven't seemed to learn yet that although blind acceptance isn't a good thing, being overlyskeptical is just as bad, just as biased, and just as "unscientific". |
That's an excellent point. I couldn't agree more. However, I'm not completely sold on HGH replacement therapy just yet. We need to know what the long term implications of increased IGF-1 is and come to a better understanding of how long term HGH use affects insulin sensitivity, among other things. I really think that the benefits of HGH are more marketing hype than scientifically validated fact, however it is very intriguing... I can see how some consumers and even experts may want to "roll the dice" and go ahead and use HGH based upon the purported and theoretical health and anti aging benefits. I’d be curious to see what Dr. Todorov thinks… |
I'm not yet sold on HGH therapy either, mainly for safety reasons and the cost. It's hard to believe, though, that people would continue to pay that much for HGH injections if they were nothing more than "marketing hype". And we know that other hormones(such as estrogen) can certainly have a powerful effect on your body and skin. In any case, people who have the money to spend might want to try HGH injections and see if they notice any difference(for the better). And if they do, they might feel like one doctor (who herself takes HGH ) told me when she said that "it's the quality of life that counts, not how long you live." But then not everyone would go along with that idea, even if they had good results from HGH injections. And Dr. Denese claims that you can get the benefits of HGH naturally if you follow the right diet and lifestyle. I don't know if that's true, but I'm sure lifestyle can be very effective. |
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jamesherried
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Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 1:37 pm Post subject: |
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The authors of the article on quackwatch(about Dr. Perricone) also make another mistake when they say that HGH is useful only for helping young people grow into adults. They ignore the fact that HGH has also been used successfully(to my knowledge) to treat AIDS patients, and relieve some of the symptoms associating with premature aging in that disease. |
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violinist1225
Joined: 24 Apr 2006 Posts: 15
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Posted: Mon May 15, 2006 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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There is always going to be some kind of error in any study; although I think Mr P's book was good, I found it was hard to maintain long term and the thing with taking suppliments. But, I guess that's most things. |
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jamesherried
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Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 12:51 pm Post subject: |
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violinist1225 wrote: | There is always going to be some kind of error in any study; although I think Mr P's book was good, I found it was hard to maintain long term and the thing with taking suppliments. But, I guess that's most things. |
Nobody ever said that having and maintaining an "anti-aging lifestyle" would be easy, but it's either that or suffer the "side effects" of aging. Some people find it hard to maintain a program of daily exercise, but the fact is, you can't really be healthy without regular exercise. That's a law of nature, and you can't change the laws of nature with man-made rules. Actually, maintaining a healthful lifestyle isn't that hard once it becomes a habit. I think the hard part, for most people is getting started on it and adjusting to it. But once you do, and you feel the benefits of it, you'll probably never want to go back to the old, unhealthful ways. |
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