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Dfontaine
Joined: 08 May 2006 Posts: 71
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Posted: Mon May 22, 2006 6:04 pm Post subject: Any opinions on reactions to my night serum? |
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I'll try to make this short. I'm on the second test of my intense night serum.
After 4 days I've noticed some remarkable or at least interesting results.
It's a heavy oil based (hazelnut and emu) product with about 20 other ingredients including colostrum, DMAE, L-Carnosine, Grape seed extract, alpha liopic acid and many more. It does NOT contain any hydroxy acids or salicylic acid or any other peeling agents or whitening/bleaching agents.
Facts: I have very tough skin. Thin but tough and have never had an alergic reaction to anything. I've used 70% AHA on my legs for 15 minutes 4 times a week and not even the slightest peel. That kind of tough. I 've had freckles all over my body arms, legs, face, chest since I was 3 years old. Irish/German decent.
I've been using this serum all over my body. What I've noticed is on my face, the brown spots around my temples (the worse part) have peeled off and the skin looks like I just had a peel. One brown spot or large freckle/mole was starting to raise a couple months ago and it has faded and is flat to the skin now. One brown spot scabbed up and looks like it's going to be clear skin when it heals. But most important I'm not getting any peeling on any other part of my face except around the bad areas of my face.
onto my upper chest. In the winter I go to steam baths about once every 2 months for my sinuses. After one session, the next day my upper chest is broken out into what look like zits or an allergic reaction. What comes out are hard light brown things as opposed to whiteheads or blackheads.
Using this serum on my upper chest produces the same effect. It's very quick. The bumps raise, excrete, and close quickly and heal quickly. In terms of the zit things, if the oils or whatever are blocking the pores, it some how is reacting the same way steam does when opening the pores.
Exact same place. Shoulder to shoulder and upper chest. No break outs on any other part of my body - face, legs, or lower torso.
The skin on my face looks MUCH younger than it did 5 days ago. Not that I look younger, just that my skin looks younger. On my arms and legs too.
This is my delema. My deduction is that this serum is totally healing my skin. Either that or my tough skin who rarely got a zit when I was a kid _OR_all the sudden developed an allergic reaction and the fact that the serum effects my upper chest the same way a steam bath does is coincendental and the fact that my skin looks younger is probably because I'm burning the heck out of it with too high concentrations of ingredients and the wrong PH. |
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guapagirl
Joined: 30 Apr 2005 Posts: 83
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Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 8:59 am Post subject: |
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Hi there,
I would think you would need to post all the ingredients for anyone to be sure, but I would guess that if you have 20 ingredients in the oil, then you are either having active overload, some actives are counteracting each other or the concentrations of the actives are too small to be effective (DMAE needs to be at 3% for effectiveness for example) and the benefits you are experiencing are just the result of the emu oil whilst the side-effects are the result of a minor allergy.
Is this a DIY serum/oil? |
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Dfontaine
Joined: 08 May 2006 Posts: 71
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Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 2:45 am Post subject: |
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guapagirl wrote: | Hi there,
I would think you would need to post all the ingredients for anyone to be sure, but I would guess that if you have 20 ingredients in the oil, then you are either having active overload, some actives are counteracting each other or the concentrations of the actives are too small to be effective (DMAE needs to be at 3% for effectiveness for example) and the benefits you are experiencing are just the result of the emu oil whilst the side-effects are the result of a minor allergy.
Is this a DIY serum/oil? |
I agree but that would be too time consuming. :P But I will say this, I have a 5% concentration of DMAE and the serum is a DIY. Interesting you mentioned the Emu oil because my first test of the serum didn't contain it, however I've used it many times before with no side effects. I possibly could have put in to much Phenonip which burns like heck.
But little update. I forgot to say that about 20 years ago I got a sunburn on my chest that required a trip to the emergency room. So I'm sure I have a lot of cell damage from that. The exact same place I got my break out. Still not gone but repairing nicely with Witch Hazel distillate and a salicylic acid scrub. I may have overdosed on some of the ingredients. What interests me is, I've always been a believer that when the skin is in the healing process, it looks the worst. So it's possible that what I made (still using it on the rest of my body and face, just not the upper chest and getting great noticable results) is healing the damage and the result looks like an allergy or zit break out. It was a bad bloody sunburn. Not just a regular one and i"m sure I damaged a lot of the skin. |
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guapagirl
Joined: 30 Apr 2005 Posts: 83
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Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 6:34 am Post subject: |
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You have 5% pure DMAE or bitartrate? (asking just out of curiosity really, I think it's a product overload).
I agree that when skin is healing it can go through an 'ugly' phase - copper peptide users are VERY familiar with this!
Seriously, I'd reduce the amount of actives or at least introduce them one at a time. I really doubt that the skin can take so much all in one go! |
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Dfontaine
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Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 3:11 am Post subject: |
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guapagirl wrote: | You have 5% pure DMAE or bitartrate? (asking just out of curiosity really, I think it's a product overload).
I agree that when skin is healing it can go through an 'ugly' phase - copper peptide users are VERY familiar with this!
Seriously, I'd reduce the amount of actives or at least introduce them one at a time. I really doubt that the skin can take so much all in one go! |
DMAE Biarate. I agree that my serum may be product overload, but not sure if it's a bad thing or not.
What I did after the first 8 days, is I took 3 days off, then dilluted the serum by 50%. I've been applying to my face and body and I see some of the spots on my face coming back. Still great results overall for a couple weeks of testing.
But now I've got another problem. I think the copper peptides are separating from the serum and showing up in blue dots when I pump it into my hand.
IMO, learning the ingredients is the easy part. Putting "actives" together and finding conflicts, not so easy. AND... If I had to test each one on my skin a couple at a time, I'd go more broke than if I bought macadamia nut oil from Clarins for 50 bucks for .5 oz.
Interesting journey regardless. |
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guapagirl
Joined: 30 Apr 2005 Posts: 83
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Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 6:51 am Post subject: |
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If it's a skin bio CP then it'll be water based. I manage to emulsify emu ultra, HA and super CP serum ok, but with a ton of other stuff in the mix who knows?
For DMAE to be effective it needs to be at 3% but in the pure amine form. Don't know how much the bitartrate has in it.
By introducing one active at a time, I meant start with just one in your carrier oil, then after a week add another active and check for any reaction and so on.
Clarins really sell macademia nut oil for $50 for half and oz? :shock: :shock: |
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Dfontaine
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Posted: Tue May 30, 2006 1:09 am Post subject: |
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guapagirl wrote: | If it's a skin bio CP then it'll be water based. I manage to emulsify emu ultra, HA and super CP serum ok, but with a ton of other stuff in the mix who knows?
For DMAE to be effective it needs to be at 3% but in the pure amine form. Don't know how much the bitartrate has in it.
By introducing one active at a time, I meant start with just one in your carrier oil, then after a week add another active and check for any reaction and so on.
Clarins really sell macademia nut oil for $50 for half and oz? :shock: :shock: |
I've heard different things re: DMAE bitartrate vs amine and since the bitartrate was much cheaper and I'm in my early testing phases, I decided to use that. I might go for the amine later.
the CP I blended used in the water phase. But even a few years ago when I was just mixing CP and emu oil in my hand and applying it, I noticed little blue specks on my face too so possibly it's just the CP I'm using - maybe it's old.
It is kind of difficult coming up with a serum containing everything I want in it and keeping the percentages up. The best "feeling" creams I've made contained less than 10% oils and mostly water and a little silicone but I'd only be able to get maybe 5% TOTAL of the other ingredients in to keep the cosmetic appeal, so I decided to go for the "You'll look ugly and greasy for 6 hours and wake up with great looking skin" serum. lol. |
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