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frog1



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 8:06 pm    Post subject: Photo rejuvenation infrared LED light therapy Reply with quote

Has anyone ever used this?

http://www.light4beauty.com/
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Mike



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 12:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Marketing hype. If it worked at all, the whole world would have Radio Shack versions made for home use. This sort of scam gives good medical practioners a bad name.
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skin care addict



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 6:59 pm    Post subject: DPL Reply with quote

I hope the Dr will be able to give his opinion on this product.
And reviews from those who have used this product.
TY
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Jouke



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 5:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mike wrote:
Marketing hype. If it worked at all, the whole world would have Radio Shack versions made for home use.


Not so sure about that. I have seen a lot of raving reviews on EDS-forum.
I am even considering buying a tool like that myself.
Two problems:
1. It's quite an investment
2. Especially in the first months, you'll have to use it everyday or even twice a day. My biggest concern is that I won't find the patience and the time to do that.

So I'm sure you need to be quite some skincare addict to come over these problems. That's why I don't think the whole world will be prepared to pay this amount of money for it, even if it would do wonders to your face.

However, I am very interested what Dr. Todorov thinks of the pros and the cons!!!
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skin care addict



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 10:48 am    Post subject: #1 problem= $$$ Reply with quote

Is the Dr in the house ?

Jouke,I too have read the many raves on EDS and know that NCN carries this also. The owner Nanci is the very best in customer service and honesty.

I would be using one at this very moment ....except for the price.
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orangehrzn



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 12:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am skeptical red light can produce visible changes in skin. Many people use it at the rosacea forum I often visit. Initially they were claiming it was 'smoothing their skin' later all they claimed was that it 'reduces the rosacea flushing'.

If you wanna try red light therapy yourself, you DONT HAVE to pay big bucks . All you have to do is buy a red light diode bulb for 20 bucks:

goldengadgets.com/product_info.php?products_id=329

You put it in a lamp socket, better buy inexpensive socket so you can put the lamp directly on your face. I suggest a split face test - use it only on half of face to see if there is REALLY any difference, not just wishfull thinking.
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Jouke



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 4:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dr. Todorov........does your silence mean you have no idea?
In that case.....no problem, but please just tell us.....right now I am waiting hopefully for your reply!!
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drtodorov
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 7:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My silence typically means that I didn't get around to a particular post. This website is my spare time activity and it addition to posts I also get lots of email and so forth. So, it is not realistic for me to get to all the posts - unfortunately.

To your question. Certain frequencies of infrared light do have an effect on metabolism, including ATP production as well as activity of some enzymes. They might also reduce inflammation. So, it is theoretically possible that LED-s of certain frequencies might benefit the skin. That said, I have seen a couple of studies indicating that LED light produces tangible skin rejuvenation effects. See below.

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Dermatol Surg. 2006 Sep;32(9):1140-6.
Use of nonthermal blue (405- to 420-nm) and near-infrared light (850- to 900-nm) dual-wavelength system in combination with glycolic acid peels and topical vitamin C for skin photorejuvenation.
Fournier N, Fritz K, Mordon S.

CLDP (Center Laser Dermatologie & Phlébologie), La Croisée, Clapiers, France.

BACKGROUND AND OBJECTIVES: A major cause of skin aging is a chronic microinflammation created by environmental conditions and ultraviolet exposures. The hand-free application on the skin of a new intense light combining a narrowband blue-light (405- to 420-nm) antiinflammatory emission and a near-infrared (850- to 890-nm) emission inducing self-defense mechanisms provides a new component to photorejuvenation and antiaging treatment protocols. STUDY DESIGN: An innovative skin rejuvenation schedule is presented in this study. It includes skin exposure to the light, with concomitant glycolic peels and daily vitamin C cream regimen for group A and only topical vitamin C cream and glycolic peels for control group B. RESULTS: Results show a significant improvement on pore size, rhytids, and radiance in group A. Conversely no improvement is noticed in group B except for a brief increase of skin radiance. Mechanisms of action of that specific light source are discussed. CONCLUSION: The exposure to this device can clinically enhance conventional antiaging protocols in skin rejuvenation.


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J Cosmet Laser Ther. 2005 Dec;7(3-4):196-200.
A study to determine the efficacy of combination LED light therapy (633 nm and 830 nm) in facial skin rejuvenation.
Russell BA, Kellett N, Reilly LR.

Advanced Laser and Dermatologic Surgery Clinics PC, Beaverton, Oregon 97008, USA.

BACKGROUND: The use of visible or near infrared spectral light alone for the purpose of skin rejuvenation has been previously reported. A method of light emitting diode (LED) photo rejuvenation incorporating a combination of these wavelengths and thus compounding their distinct stimulation of cellular components is proposed.Objective. To assess the efficacy and local tolerability of combination light therapy in photo rejuvenation of facial skin. METHODS: Thirty-one subjects with facial rhytids received nine light therapy treatments using the Omnilux LED system. The treatments combined wavelengths of 633 nm and 830 nm with fluences of 126 J/cm(2) and 66 J/cm(2) respectively. Improvements to the skin surface were evaluated at weeks 9 and 12 by profilometry performed on periorbital casts. Additional outcome measures included assessments of clinical photography and patient satisfaction scores. RESULTS: Key profilometry results Sq, Sa, Sp and St showed significant differences at week 12 follow-up; 52% of subjects showed a 25%-50% improvement in photoaging scores by week 12; 81% of subjects reported a significant improvement in periorbital wrinkles on completion of follow-up. CONCLUSION: Omnilux combination red and near infrared LED therapy represents an effective and acceptable method of photo rejuvenation. Further study to optimize the parameters of treatment is required.
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orangehrzn



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 11:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Those studies have false methodology as usual in dermathology. They did not study the red light separately.

In the first study, the almost ultraviolet light (405-420nm) could induce skin damage and consequent skin repair and improvement. All laser procedures that actually achieve something operate on that principle. That is not a proof the red light worked.

In the second study, the same applies to the infrared light that could construct collagen and mimic 'improvement'.

Something have to be studied separately to prove it has effect not in conjuction with other treatments. Probably they thought the effect of red light only was unmeasurable, or they had preliminary studies showing it. On a related note, exactly the same pattern of 'studies' is applied to the non-irritable forms of vit C - to this day we don't have in-vivo studies of the effect of the new vit C derivatives by themselves not in conjunction with the old pal ascorbic acid.
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drtodorov
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 12:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree, even if the Omnilux study is valid (I haven't looked at the actual paper) and collagen is indeed stimulated, it is unclear whether it is due to red, infrared or both. Besides, there should be a split face control and/or other controls.
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davpet



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 2:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Speaking of Omnilux, they are releasing at-home versions of their LED systems in early 2008 :

miinews.com/stage/pdf/fa_ptl_nov07.pdf
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Twickle Purple



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 2:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

orangehrzn wrote:
I am skeptical red light can produce visible changes in skin. Many people use it at the rosacea forum I often visit. Initially they were claiming it was 'smoothing their skin' later all they claimed was that it 'reduces the rosacea flushing'..


As a user of many different LLLT devices for 1-1/2 years, I have posted over at that forum on the noticable pore reduction and skin surface improvement I have realized with LLLT. I am not aware of anyone that has changed their position and made a lessor statement which would diminish their findings. The general consensus that I have read is one of positive improvement in the level of inflammation and the resultant improvement in skin texture.

It is my opinion that one is bound to have improved skin surface texture when inflammation is removed. And if the pore size was enlarged due to active inflammation then one would find it logical that pore size is reduced as engorgement due to inflammation is reduced. As is my case.

I do have a very thorough pictorial which I will add to this weekend to show a before and after on the pore size change and skin texture improvement. I have used this approach previously to show the quick and decisive improvement on inflammation with an area with active eczematous legions which were improved over 50% in a span of 20 hours with just one 20 minute application of 660/880nm LEDs.

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Not sure why my previous posts were removed.
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sdguy



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 5:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Twickle, are you seeing a doctor for treatments or did you make your own LLLT system? Did you see any decrease in fine lines and wrinkles or just general improvement in your skin?

I'll be interested to see your pics, are you going to post them here or elsewhere?
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Twickle Purple



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 11:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sdguy, I purchase my own units. I started with the Dimalux (approx. $10M at the end of the day) and have bought other, smaller units from manufacturers and have had some custom made (ranging from around $20 to $900). I have posted on the different ones I try over at the Rosacea Forum.

I have very dry skin as well as rosacea caused by about 40 years of steroid use and, as a result, my facial skin is also extremely thin. I've had a face full of telangiectasia since my teens (RLT/LLLT does NOTHING for enlarged capillaries). The most comfortable change I have noticed is moister skin, however I also apply a mix metrocream and vaseline every night, so the benefit can be attributed to this as well.

With the increased moisture retention my facial wrinkles are greatly reduced. Even the not so fine ones on my forehead are lessened (I was a smoker for years). My facial skin was in a state of constant inflammation for a few years and was ravaged by it. The difference from last year to now is remarkable.

Wrinkles would be very hard to capture with my camera, pores are easier and I've already got an enlarged pore shot in my rosacea pictorial so I will use that for my side by side image.

I will post here as well as to my rosacea thread.

Cheers,
TP
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sdguy



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 1:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What's the URL of the rosacea forum?

$10K's a bit out of my range, I'm looking into my own basic system using LED bulbs around 630nm for overall skin health, reduced inflammation, and reduction of wrinkles would be great if it happens.
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